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Rebar is run horizontally and vertically in ICF. That is Insulated Concrete Form. Sort of a white styrofoam "cinder block" which is filled with concrete and the foam remains. That is how my new house is being built.danh600 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:57 pmI am not a builder so I could be completely wrong, but i have never seen rebar run all the way up the walls. I know they put it in foundations.wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:38 pm
BTW, the concrete block doesn't stand a chance without sufficient rebar and grout. But I get what you are saying.
Okay, now you guys are just being funny. I tried to let it go...raYzerman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:02 am ICF's are great.... in the old days, concrete blocks might have rebar in the bottom course, mortar filled the cavities.... block walls can be knocked over without a lot of effort as there's only a thin mortar layer between courses..... one could fill the cavities all the way up that would help immensely but takes a ton of mortar.... can't recall anyone putting vertical rebar in block walls.
It's all good Wheaty. I was curious. I just have never seen vertical rebar in CBS except like Ray stated in the first course. I have seen them pour concrete around doors and window to fill up the hole is the CBS, but not all the walls.wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:01 amOkay, now you guys are just being funny. I tried to let it go...raYzerman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:02 am ICF's are great.... in the old days, concrete blocks might have rebar in the bottom course, mortar filled the cavities.... block walls can be knocked over without a lot of effort as there's only a thin mortar layer between courses..... one could fill the cavities all the way up that would help immensely but takes a ton of mortar.... can't recall anyone putting vertical rebar in block walls.
Before 1994, the Masonry Building Code allowed "empirical design" aka, " we've always built it this way" with unreinforced masonry. However, surveys of post hurricane and post earthquake damage caused building code officials to make major revisions of the masonry, seismic, and wind portions of the code. Unreinforced masonry is allowed only in certain geographical locations and only in certain buildings of low height without many wall openings. Anything else is grandfathered in...but not a place I'd want to be in an earthquake, like near Charleston, SC or the west coast.
Building Codes that used to be small 1/4" thick booklets in 1963 are now full size and 1 1/2" to 2" thick. Continuing Education was the bane of my previous career.
I've designed buildings from shacks to hospital Emergency Room and Police structures along the SC coast for 162mph winds and high seismic forces that had to remain viable, safe and open after a disaster.
I've designed schools in coastal Carolina with #5 rebar at 8-16" oc, with horizontal reinforced masonry bond beams at 48" o.c.
That's the end of the seminar, sorry, but Ray and Marty made me do it.
Y'all owe me $130 per for the Seminar. Pay as you head out the back.
Back to Dan's excellent Report.
My last license expired 11/30/24. Illinois.danh600 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:46 amIt's all good Wheaty. I was curious. I just have never seen vertical rebar in CBS except like Ray stated in the first course. I have seen them pour concrete around doors and window to fill up the hole is the CBS, but not all the walls.wheatonFJR wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:01 amOkay, now you guys are just being funny. I tried to let it go...raYzerman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 10:02 am ICF's are great.... in the old days, concrete blocks might have rebar in the bottom course, mortar filled the cavities.... block walls can be knocked over without a lot of effort as there's only a thin mortar layer between courses..... one could fill the cavities all the way up that would help immensely but takes a ton of mortar.... can't recall anyone putting vertical rebar in block walls.
Before 1994, the Masonry Building Code allowed "empirical design" aka, " we've always built it this way" with unreinforced masonry. However, surveys of post hurricane and post earthquake damage caused building code officials to make major revisions of the masonry, seismic, and wind portions of the code. Unreinforced masonry is allowed only in certain geographical locations and only in certain buildings of low height without many wall openings. Anything else is grandfathered in...but not a place I'd want to be in an earthquake, like near Charleston, SC or the west coast.
Building Codes that used to be small 1/4" thick booklets in 1963 are now full size and 1 1/2" to 2" thick. Continuing Education was the bane of my previous career.
I've designed buildings from shacks to hospital Emergency Room and Police structures along the SC coast for 162mph winds and high seismic forces that had to remain viable, safe and open after a disaster.
I've designed schools in coastal Carolina with #5 rebar at 8-16" oc, with horizontal reinforced masonry bond beams at 48" o.c.
That's the end of the seminar, sorry, but Ray and Marty made me do it.
Y'all owe me $130 per for the Seminar. Pay as you head out the back.
Back to Dan's excellent Report.
Now it seems they are building more two story houses and town houses. I guess to save on space and foundation cost. The first floor CBS and the second floor wood frame. As a non builder that seems odd to me.
Is your license good in Florida? I am thinking of closing in a section of the barn. I want it to be Hurricane proof.
