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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by wheatonFJR » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:40 pm

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8-) We coulda had that all apart for ya at tech day!! 8-)
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by CollingsBob » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:57 am

A 2 stroke is just a pump ..and in order to pump efficiently there can be no leaks. New seals all round, most of which van be purchased at any bearing supply, careful cleaning of mating surfaces and a thin coating of Hylomar on the 2 halves of the crankcase, new cylinder base gaskets, careful port matching should do the trick.

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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by extrememarine » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:57 pm

Trying to keep all the parts and pieces semi organized as it comes apart...
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by CollingsBob » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:18 pm

Match the profile of the top of the port to the piston skirt bottom as well as matching the intake & exhaust tracts..small changes will yield good results....and if those modest gains arent enough for you then I think any 350 engine from the R5 to the RD350 will fit into that frame. You might also consider changing the swing arm bearings for ones made out of bronze for greater cornering precision.

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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by extrememarine » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:13 pm

Thanks for the input, but right now, I'm not interested or funded to turn this into a vintage track bike. I have read plenty on the potential of these little 2 strokes should one want to go that direction AND have the open ended checkbook to fund it...

I just want to get it running and to be able to cruise around the neighborhood.
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Match the profile of the top of the port to the piston skirt bottom as well as matching the intake & exhaust tracts..small changes will yield good results....and if those modest gains arent enough for you then I think any 350 engine from the R5 to the RD350 will fit into that frame. You might also consider changing the swing arm bearings for ones made out of bronze for greater cornering precision.
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by philharmonic » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:33 am

CollingsBob wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:18 pm
Match the profile of the top of the port to the piston skirt bottom as well as matching the intake & exhaust tracts..small changes will yield good results....and if those modest gains arent enough for you then I think any 350 engine from the R5 to the RD350 will fit into that frame. You might also consider changing the swing arm bearings for ones made out of bronze for greater cornering precision.
Can't you just put a set of pistons, cylinders, heads and carbs off an RD350 right on an RD250?
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by Hppants » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:32 am

I'm still subscribed - glad to read this thread is resurrected.

That motor has a special place in my heart. When I was a kid, everyone wanted the Mach 1 Kawasaki. But I wanted the RD350. Maybe just a smidge (and I mean a SMIDGE) slower, but the bike could do so much more than go straight.
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by CollingsBob » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:43 am

philharmonic wrote:
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CollingsBob wrote:
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Match the profile of the top of the port to the piston skirt bottom as well as matching the intake & exhaust tracts..small changes will yield good results....and if those modest gains arent enough for you then I think any 350 engine from the R5 to the RD350 will fit into that frame. You might also consider changing the swing arm bearings for ones made out of bronze for greater cornering precision.
Can't you just put a set of pistons, cylinders, heads and carbs off an RD350 right on an RD250?
I dont think so...I seem to remember that the bore size in the crankcase is smaller, the crank is different with a shorter throw and the connecting rods are shorter.

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Re: RE: Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by extrememarine » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:19 pm

Hppants wrote:I'm still subscribed - glad to read this thread is resurrected.

That motor has a special place in my heart. When I was a kid, everyone wanted the Mach 1 Kawasaki. But I wanted the RD350. Maybe just a smidge (and I mean a SMIDGE) slower, but the bike could do so much more than go straight.
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by Uncle Hud » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:21 pm

extrememarine wrote:
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<clipped> I have read plenty on the potential of these little 2 strokes ...
My late 1970's RD400 was a screamer. Wouldn't think you'd need any engine work to make it track-worthy.
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by bungie4 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:33 pm

Stumbled across this rd250..

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Re: RE: Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by extrememarine » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:22 pm

bungie4 wrote:Stumbled across this rd250..

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/NcQxlCt
Very nice and clean! I've seen some very cool looking cafe RD250s, but part of me just wants a near stock runner. After that, who knows...

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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by philharmonic » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:46 pm

CollingsBob wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:43 am
philharmonic wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:33 am
CollingsBob wrote: Match the profile of the top of the port to the piston skirt bottom as well as matching the intake & exhaust tracts..small changes will yield good results....and if those modest gains arent enough for you then I think any 350 engine from the R5 to the RD350 will fit into that frame. You might also consider changing the swing arm bearings for ones made out of bronze for greater cornering precision.
Can't you just put a set of pistons, cylinders, heads and carbs off an RD350 right on an RD250?
I dont think so...I seem to remember that the bore size in the crankcase is smaller, the crank is different with a shorter throw and the connecting rods are shorter.
It doesn't prove it will work, but the rd250 and rd350 had the same 54mm stroke, the 250 was square 54 x 54 and the 350 was 64 x 54. I could see that the bore being bigger could preclude the jugs working.
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by CollingsBob » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:16 pm

I started out with an R5...then after I blew the transmission I replaced the entire engine with one out of an RD350...then I replaced the front end so that I could replace the drum brake with a singke disk. Then I started port matching, putting extra ports into the pistons, drilling the reed valve stops in order to maximize reed valve lift. Expansion chambers led to an increase in main jet size to 220, at the same time the stock airbox was discarded in favour of K&N’s..Clipons and rearsets got added at the same time as a seat/tank/fairing from a TZ350. By now it was seriously fast, used a shitload of gas and needed pistons once a season. I had succeeded in turning a real nice, kinda fast bike into a stupid fast bike with a light switch for a throttle that was sooo single minded that it was no longer a lot of fun all the time. I sold it and bought a 750 Honda. Not as fast, way more reliable, cheaper on gas..and a fuckton quieter.
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by raYzerman » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:55 pm

extrememarine wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:57 pm
Trying to keep all the parts and pieces semi organized as it comes apart...
wheatonFJR wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:40 pm
raYzerman wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:07 pm
8-) We coulda had that all apart for ya at tech day!! 8-)
That's what he was afraid of.
Grow a pair!! WE offered to help at Tech Day, but no, you have to do it your way. Just put in in a coupla boxes like I got and figure it out later. You'll remember... really! That RD motor should fit in one box, not two like I got this......... ya gonna come help me?

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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by extrememarine » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:17 pm

I think it was PhilJet that said it best..

"...still not taking my bike apart at tech day..." :)

With a little bit of progress, I hope to have this thing at the spring tech day so we can get it tuned and running...
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by extrememarine » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:04 pm

Getting closer to similar status as Ray's bike in a box...

Everything from the steering head back has been disassembled. Front end is next after I get the parts bagged and boxed

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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by raYzerman » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:39 pm

OH my....... that looks way too organized :twisted:
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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by wheatonFJR » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:35 pm

Looking good, cept mebbe that crack in your front tar...that you were replacing when the other stuff gets done.

I'm not sure, but from here it looks like the fork seals are installed upside down.

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Re: Vintage Project - RD250

Post by extrememarine » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:46 pm

If Ray helps me put it back together, the fork seals will get flipped and end up right side up then.

I plan on running these tires - just going to add some gorilla tape to the inside to keep them together about 90...
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Looking good, cept mebbe that crack in your front tar...that you were replacing when the other stuff gets done.

I'm not sure, but from here it looks like the fork seals are installed upside down.
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